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Kwame
Hey, everybody. Welcome to today's episode of Beyond Influence, brought to you by Later. I am Kwamie Appiah, your host. I’m joined by my amazing co-host, Scott Sutton. And today with us, we have one of America's favorite couples. There I say maybe even America's favorite couple right now. How? There you say Love Is Blind's newest success story.
We are very grateful to have with us today, Daniel and Taylor Hastings. How are we doing today?
Taylor
I'm good.
Daniel
I'm so good. Thank you. Thank you so much for having us. This is so fun.
Kwame
Yeah, well, thank you for being here.
Scott
Yeah. I was gonna say, like, I feel like we've been fighting tech issues and getting started. Yeah, so glad to have you all on. And, it's got to be a whirlwind right now, right? You're just kind of everywhere, you know? Everything that just landed lies finally out in the public. Like, just maybe walk us through the last, you know, a little bit.
How's it been? Feel?
Taylor
So, yeah, I think a whirlwind is the best way to describe the last few weeks. Of course, like the anticipation from last year, knowing that the show is coming out and knowing that our story was still hidden, our marriage was still hidden. There's a lot of anticipation and anxiety. You just never really know what people will perceive you or how things will look.
So, you know, now that it's all out, I definitely feel a sigh of relief. But it's come with a new wave of stress, but also, like, great joy and then stress and stress. And it's just been every emotion at once for the last few weeks.
Daniel
Yeah, it's been a lot. It's been kind of, I guess, what we've been sitting on and waiting for for a year. But it's been amazing and it's been a lot of fun. And, we're very busy. But it's a good bus for the most part. And so we're just kind of taking it one day at a time still.
But yeah, it's been a crazy few weeks, but pretty cool.
Kwame
That is awesome. I mean, what would you say is, you know, the coolest thing that's happened to you, in the last. What is it? It's been like a month and a half, two months. Oh,
Taylor
I have a couple that come to mind. Daniel and I got to become Facebook friends yesterday, so that's pretty cool.
Daniel
I saw this notification coming through my phone, and it's Facebook, and I don't really use Facebook very much. And it comes through my phone and it's. Taylor sent you a friend request, and I was like, all right, I guess I'll accept this one now.
Taylor
Accept, deny. So yeah, we're friends now.
Scott
So it's funny, for our audience, you guys missed out when we all jumped on. And so just inside baseball, like, we talked to a lot of folks, and we have a lot of different folks from reality TV. And I'm not a sham. My wife and her group of friends, like I have a group text with them. And before we get on, I'm like, okay, y'all get me up to speed, give me the tier.
Like, help me understand. And I'm like, talking about climbing. Like I was supposed to ask about following and unfollowing. And then they pop on and they're like, oh, they're talking about us already. And I was like, oh, fucking Matt. So this is going well. But congratulations on the Facebook friends status.
Taylor
Thank you. Yeah. Big things. And then I got a PR box from Taco Bell. So that's also been like a life highlight so far for the last year. Okay.
Kwame
Yeah, I'm jealous of that. Yeah.
Scott
Yeah. Perks.
Daniel
Perks of being married to Taylor.
Taylor
What's been the most disappointing for you?
Daniel
I thought it was pretty cool. So we got a couple of messages from some Minnesota sports teams and me. We're both huge Minnesota sports people. So, the twins reached out and asked if we wanted to go to the opening day game in a couple of weeks here, which I'm super pumped about. The Vikings reached us. So it's like all of, like, my childhood dreams coming true.
And so yeah, that's been pretty cool and pretty fun to see.
Taylor
A lot of fun stuff to come.
Daniel
Yeah.
Kwame
100%. And I mean, I'm a big avid Seattle sports fan now. You know, I never really had a home sports team. All I did was watch a lot of soccer. So I loved Chelsea FC over in England, which is really funny because my wife's name is Chelsea. But as you can see over my shoulder, it says everyone watches women's sports.
So I've been taking great, great pride in going to as many women's sporting events as I possibly can. Little, unknown secret about myself. One of my life goals is to own a women's soccer team. Really? So. Yes, it is. Yes. I just feel like there's so much more growth, availability in the sport in general. And I just also feel like whenever I'm, whenever I have like the, the battle or of like, or you, you're online, you see a lot of online stuff.
You know, you go to women's sports, you go to men's sports. The comments are very different on both sports, you know what I'm saying. And so just like the energy and the vibe that's created from women, sports is just something that I feel is so much more empowering, if I'm being honest with you. And for some reason, I don't know.
I don't know if I'll have a daughter, I don't, but I just envision myself that if I had a daughter and she became a professional athlete and she played soccer, it would make me the happiest dad ever. I'd be so cool to be. Yeah. So I, I don't know why it conjured up that thought a long time ago, but, you know, we're talking about sports and I wanted to share those dreams. But with that being said, a lot of cool things are definitely in your future. You're going to do a lot of cool sports, though. A lot of stuff is about to come up.
Is there anything that, if you could, I don't know, snap your fingers and do as an experience that you feel like you would, you know, breathe out into the world right now and say, I want to do this.
Taylor
I got it.
Daniel
I mean, I think it'd be I probably have some that are like individuals and then some that are like a couple. And I think, I mean, we've traveled quite a bit this past year, of course, being under the radar as much as we had to be. But I think it'd be fun to do some, you know, overseas traveling experiences together.
I've never been to Ireland, Scotland, and Italy, like all of those areas that I think are just amazing. I think it'd be fun to, like, I don't know, do some fun traveling together over there and have some fun experiences.
Taylor
Daniel's also never been to Disney and I am a Disney adult. So I would love to take him and do like the whole but like the, fast passes for every ride that we can, just like, zoom through everything and get the good food truck.
Daniel
I would love to. I will go to Disney, and then maybe this is a hot take, but I'm just not a huge ride person. Like I'll go on some rides, but like I wouldn't wake up that morning being like, I can't wait to get on the roller coaster that's not who I work like.
Scott
I don't. I wouldn't call myself the biggest Disney person or the biggest ride person, but I took my kids to Disneyland for the first time last year. And just when you walk into, like, this Star Wars land and it's like you're freaking in the movie. Yeah, like even the most tame roller coaster. Just like the immersion and like the attention to detail, you're just like, literally transported to some other, like, the whole Star Wars ride.
It's like, yeah, I'm not even a huge Star Wars fan. I was like, this is the coolest thing ever. Like, I was terrified when Kylo Ren's like six foot nine and my dad was like, this is crazy, but now it's such a cool experience. And like, if you're on the big rides, it's like the other places have bigger rides.
But I like Disney. His attention to detail. This is a Disney rant that I did not, but nonetheless, like we're going to go to this one. I love this.
Kwame
So yeah, you want to know the funny thing about which I'm going to tell you something. I think it's going to make you happy. So the first time that I ever went to Disneyland was with Chelsea. She's a big Disney adult as well. No, I love them. Yeah. And so the funny, the funniest part about the story is that she planned on taking me there for my birthday because, you know, I just absolutely love Disney movies.
We watch Disney movies so much. And so she knew I would love it. She planned to take me there for my birthday. We were in LA to see a Lakers game, and she's like, I've got a surprise for you. I'm going to take you somewhere. And like the whole time she's like, all right, where this like, you know, she has a, you know, Mickey Mouse shirt in her bag.
She's like, wear this to, you know, maybe match with what I've got. But like, she sets this whole surprise up, right? Yeah. And then her goal is to like, unveil this idea of Disney once we get to Disney. And she's held this secret for, I don't know, a month or so and we get into the Uber. And you know what happens when you get into an Uber.
It says now headed to so-and-so. Right. And so she literally before, I give in to LA where she gets in the Uber ahead of time, tells the driver, Please don't say where we're going. I get into the car, and the minute I get into the car, the driver says, “All right, we're going to go.” He clicks the, you know, passenger accepted.
And it's like, now headed to Disney.
Immediately, the shock on her face. Wow. This part will make you happy. We did get there. And it was right after our season. Somebody recognized us and was like, Oh my gosh, here's fast passes to everything. So it could happen. It could be in your future, I think. Yeah, I'm manifesting it for you.
Taylor
Well, I'm glad there was a happy ending to that story because that's fun.
Kwame
Yeah, it was. And we did some amazing rides. We wanted to go. It's like a hidden restaurant behind the Pirates of the Caribbean. Right. Yeah. And the food's actually really amazing. And there was a super long line. We weren't going to get into it. And then a couple recognized this one was like, hey, you want to have dinner with us?
And we were like, yeah, let's do it. So yeah. So we're just getting into it. Yeah. So it was just an entire day of really cool experiences.
Scott
My experience at that restaurant was my kids not eating any of the food and having to get a corndog from them.
Taylor
$80.
Scott
Thank you. Yeah, yeah.
Kwame
Oh, man. Well, I mean, now that we're, you know, getting into the heat of things, we'll, we'll, you know, glide past the incredibly scintillating conversation of Disney, right into a little bit of your personal lives. I know that, you know, Taylor, you just got off of work today. Tell us a little bit about how things are going on the work front.
Taylor
Yeah, work is good, and we're just short-staffed, which I think is health care in general. Everywhere, every department. So some days are better than others, but patients are sicker than they used to be as well. So there's a higher acuity for sure. But the group of nurses that I work with is just phenomenal.
And, they are the whole reason I could even go do the show to begin with. They were incredible. My manager was super great about, you know, letting me just be gone for three weeks. I started working once we got back to Minneapolis and we're filming, but I love them. I consider them my dearest friends. So, it's all about who you work with.
Makes a huge difference, for sure.
Scott
That's funny. So my wife's a nurse. She was in oncology and ended up there for a long time. And and it's it's funny because we have friends who are nurses, and I don't know if there's if you find this to be true, but, like, nurses have just seen some stuff and just have, like, a very different, different appreciation for, like the human condition and I it's just funny talking to them because I think, like, I have a reasonable tolerance for things and then they're just like, oh yeah, I remember this one guy doing this and you're just the stories that come out of hospitals and, and these different clinics.
I just think if people aren't thankful for nurses and like what they have to experience on the regular, that would be highly traumatic. Like if anything happened on the regular to my wife or her friends, like me, it would be a dream completely restored.
Taylor
Yeah. I'm a travel nurse during COVID. So I think I cried every day when working in Covid units, but, so grateful that's not a reality anymore. And I'm a better, better nurse because of it. So, it's definitely improved since working in Covid units.
Scott
But yeah, I feel like you've been able to find balance, like coming back into things like working, and now you've got all the show stuff hitting. Like how? Like just managing all of life is manageable. Is it like, do you feel like you'll be able to keep that up or.
Taylor
You know, for now, it's manageable. I feel overwhelmed in general with life right now, just with, you know, the attention that we've gotten. And, obviously, seeing your face on a TV screen is an adjustment. And then opening Instagram and your face, is there a stranger talking about you, like, for more reasons than one.
But then when I'm at work, it's also like people who are patients are starting to recognize me. And, it was kind of like my escape when we were filming, and I didn't have to think about it or talk about it. But now that it's out and people know me, and my coworkers can ask me questions about it, it's kind of added to another level of overwhelmedness.
But as I was telling you earlier, I was in the operating room this afternoon, and I had to be staring at a screen, just focusing on moving a wire like millimeters at a time. And I thought to myself during it, like, this is awesome, that this is all I have to think about and concentrate on right now.
Because outside of that setting, my brain is a million places right now. So.
Daniel
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Kwame
Yeah. And, you know, I feel like we don't get as much context into Daniel's life, in terms of, like, his work, you know? So, you know, I'd love to know a little bit about, you know, your background as well. You what? You do, you know, how you've been able to carry on. And I think, speaking to Taylor's point, how you're balancing it and kind of being able to focus on things, you know, whether you're full head in there or a full head out.
Daniel
Yeah. So I work in sales. Ever since I've been in college, I've been in some form of a sales job. Whether it was selling copiers or stuff. Now I sell and finance medical equipment. So, I'm not in the healthcare space, but I sell to the healthcare space. So I don't sell an actual med device, but I'm kind of a middleman between hospitals and med device companies to facilitate acquisition of capital equipment, if necessary.
And it's interesting, you know, the. I like the job again. I love the people that I work with. You know, that when some of the days are harder than others like that is what really gets you through. And so it's been honestly, it's been tough like, it's been tough keeping that balance of because in sales, if you're not, you know, if you're not in there 150% getting after it, then you're going to fall behind.
And so it's it's been a lot, and it's been a big shift of like trying to figure out how to balance that while balancing, you know, this past year, being married and like, trying to figure out how to be a good husband and, and, anticipating things for the show coming out. And then now the show is out and things are getting crazier for us.
And so it's a lot like, thankfully, I have some flexibility with my schedule, but it's definitely a new challenge. And so I don't know. I don't know if it's something that I'll continue to do. I guess we'll see what kind of how the next stage of this, like, of our life goes here.
But yeah, we'll see.
Scott
It's funny, like, I think about those, but all those jobs, and like, those are two of the jobs that I like seeing sales firsthand constantly, for whatever the last I get it, it is a fairly thankless job. I feel like a lot of people have this view of like, oh, this like, you know, suave football player, a guy who just, like, runs around and goes golfing and like versus, hey, I'm like doing a million cold calls and emails sequences and having having this follow up and just being hooked, all caught on constantly having expectation.
And then it resets every month and every month and everyone just, you know, has it. And having all of your income or a huge portion of your income constantly on the line. And if you're off or something's off or the business isn't, you know, it was really interesting. I was talking with someone in the med device space, and they actually sound like a solution to sleep apnea.
And I was like, Ozempic came out and all of our clients are healthy. They don't have sleep apnea anymore. So our whole market is gone. And it had really weird consequences. Like I'm really happy for people. They're getting healthier, but it's like my whole business just evaporated. And I'm a sales guy. And it's just like things that are out of your control and so what do you do?
And I love that point. You said, you know, if you can't be in 150%, there's a very real impact to you, to the company. And, it's something I want to question. It's more lighthearted on this because I think about, like, I can I there's no way in my life Colombia knows me. I'm pretty direct. And like, if I have an idea, you're going to hear about it 30 seconds later.
We're going to figure out a good idea or a bad idea. But I'm like, there's no way in hell that I could keep a secret for a year. Like, how impossible was that? Like, and I don't want you to break in days or something, like if you guys the whole world. But it's like, I like that. I. There's no way in my life that I could sign up to like, hold on to that for that long.
Daniel
I thought we did pretty good. Yeah, I think we did pretty good there. You know, Minnesota's a tough place because everybody knows everybody, and everybody likes to talk about everything. And so all it takes is one person to just whisper it to someone that they know of like, oh, there's we heard this might be happening. And then it's just like, oh, well, you know, then they know one person, they know one person, and before you know it, someone comes and tells us about it, and we're like, right.
You know, we didn't say anything, but like, how'd you find out about that? And so, yeah, yeah. You know, we kept it a secret pretty well. We were pretty careful.
Taylor
Our cast list. I don't know if you knew this. Scott leaked while we were still filming in Minneapolis. So everyone knew who was on the show here in the Twin Cities before we even got everything finished. So, I mean, all it took was we were still allowed to live our lives like we could go on dates and go to Target and like, it wasn't like we were in hiding for the last year, but someone to us, and they had recognized us from the cast list that was leaked. I mean, people figured it out.
Daniel
It added a weird stress to the whole thing because, you know, you're in this bubble, you know, in the pods dating, and then you're still kind of in a bubble on the vacation, but then you come into the real world and it's like, okay, we're going to get into the real world. But like, nobody's really going to know, we'll stay under the radar.
And then you get into the real world and you get your phones back and you're getting like 20 texts a day from people who have seen the cast list and they're like, oh my gosh, is this, is this true? Is this true? It's like, I can't tell you. Like, what do you expect me to say to that? Like, and so, like we're trying to film and we're trying to keep it a secret, but like, all of our friends and family are reaching out.
Obviously, family, you know, those. But like, people that we haven't talked to in a while are sending us texts and it's like we appreciate that you're excited about it. But like, we can't talk about it. We can't confirm or deny, you know? So it was just another layer of craziness.
Scott
I feel like I have a terrible poker face if I did this and I'm like, oh.
Kwame
Yeah, it is, it is, there's a lot of added weight to it. I just I don't think there's anything out there that's comparable in terms of just like, mental, you know, there's there's a lot of difficult things out there in the world, you know, but when it comes to the scenario of protecting your peace, keeping your privacy, like filming Love is Blind is arguably one of the hardest things.
Like all the way from filming till release and post release, dealing with everything. I remember Chelsea and I always say like one of our best times ever together since we've ever, like since we met, was, we, you know, we're constantly either, you know, being filmed or monitored to some degree. Obviously, you have your nights. I feel like people don't know this part.
Like when you go to sleep, there's no camera around. You know, so you get that time to yourself. But the first time that we were like, out in, you know, public by ourselves and just hanging out, and being together after filming started, we were just like our producer told us, hey, we're done filming for a little bit.
We'll start a little bit later. You can have like 20 minutes of pool time, and it was like Chelsea and I just went out into the pool and just like had the best 20 minutes ever because it was the first stress-free 20 minutes that we've had since we met. Because literally from the moment that, you know, that you meet again, I don't know, they just fly together, you know?
Y'all. Yeah. Right. And so once you have revealed, you're hidden again, and then you go out, and then you're encountered for the first time when all these cameras are on you. And it's kind of awkward. Yeah. You know, so then it's like, yeah, it is like, you know, you love this person, you want to talk to them, but you're like, not allowed to make eye contact until they like.
Scott
Start to while. Yeah, you understand. Someone underneath. Yeah. Wait, wait. Hold on. As for someone who's not educated, it was the eye contact thing.
Kwame
Okay, so basically that's how the me and Chelsea scenario rolled out, right? The boys get driven to a van, you know, to Mexico in a van. You know, I know y'all went somewhere else, but for your vacation, you get driven to your honeymoons in vans, with the people who are on your side of the pods.
And so I get there and it's like, release one person at a time, right? Because you're not allowed to see your partner on the other end until cameras are rolling. And so Brett gets sent out. Brett is not allowed to make eye contact with Tiffany. Right. You can basically like you're standing like ten feet apart, facing the same direction, until it says cameras are rolling.
Then you can come say hi and embrace or whatever. And like, you know, we're put in this Jeep and the cameras are rolling. So, like the whole time, it's just really tough because you literally cannot, it almost feels like you can't interact to any capacity. You can't be breathing the same air because it could in some way sway your energy.
Yeah. Until cameras are on and going.
Taylor
Yeah. They were literally standing between us in the elevator, going up the elevator like we weren't allowed to even stand next to each other. The last thing I saw was a camera on us. So I think that, like the pods, the cameras are hidden so well. So I, like, forgot they were there half the time. And then we got to Honduras and I was like, whoa, this is really intense.
Like, this is a whole new ball game.
Daniel
So yeah, I mean, they wanted, you know, they wanted every interaction, every conversation and everything filmed. And so like, that's the reason why it's not just like it's not like just like, I don't know, like put us in like little rats. I know, but no, but yeah, it was just because they wanted everything. Everything was filmed. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. But it was still like stuff. Yeah, I know.
Kwame
Yeah. It's tough to manage, but I think so. I don't know if y'all know about this little backstory. The reason why that happened is, there were couples in season one. There's a very specific couple. I won't throw out the name yet. Okay. You know what? Heck, we're on a podcast about my last man.
I never was Jessica and Mark. Right? So everyone gets to, you know, the first season, everyone flies together, right? And there were no cameras on them. And so they got to basically be in each other's energies, talk like, decompress. Yeah, right. Have all these conversations. And then by the time they got to Mexico, the energy was completely different.
And everyone was like, what happened? Right? And so from that point on, they were like, okay, in order for us to be able to tell the audience everything that's happening in this story so that they know, like from reveal, when they loved each other so much, and now all of a sudden they're either acting different or whatever, like what happened within all that context.
So they said from now on, nobody, no cameras are going to be on them. They're not going to be able to exchange any kind of love or non-love exchanges unless the cameras are on them and filming. So that's a little backstory for all the lovers. Vine faithfuls.
Scott
I'm just imagining a scenario where, like Klum and Chelsea get in a fight, and that 20 minutes off camera by the pool, you know, you have to recreate the entire fight. But just go again. Kill again, get back.
Taylor
I made it to the top.
Kwame
But with all that being said, you know, lots of funny little tidbits and secrets. You know, Love Is Blind is an incredible experience. You know, if you come out of it with all the rewards that you want in life, then you, you know, you're a very, very lucky human being. And I think obviously y'all won. And it's so funny whenever I talk to people in there, you know, they ask me about Love Is Blind.
They were like, oh, did you win? You know, that's the context they use it in. And also, you know, ultimately I do think we all want like, you know.
Daniel
Yeah, I want right here, like.
Kwame
You know what I mean? Like, it's not a game show. But you, but, you know, there's a lot that goes into it. And so throughout your experience, you know, going through something that in some way freezes a competition show. What do you think was the most difficult thing for each of you when you were actually going through the process?
Taylor
I think mine was not only the most difficult, but the most empowering. In the same breath. In the past, with dating, I was heavily reliant on my friends and my family. Hey, check out this guy's pictures. Do you think he's cute? Should I date him? Hey, do you want to swipe for me on a dating app?
Because I can't stand it anymore. Like, I was always asking for opinions and insight from those closest to me. And of course, devices are taken from you for the experiment. And throughout the entire Love is Blind process, I really had to rely on myself, and listen to my own gut, which is something I've definitely ignored in the past.
So as uncomfortable as it was at times now, looking back, I'm like, wow, I got this incredible human as my husband and had like the time of my life, and this Love is Blind experiment. Because I trusted myself and I went with my gut. So.
Daniel
Yeah, I mean, I was going to be very similar to my answer was, you know, thankfully, going through this experiment, like, forced me to be in a place where I had to. I had to trust in what my gut was telling me every step of the way. Because, as you know, like everybody has opinions about everything at all times, and it'd be so easy to be like, oh, maybe they're right.
You know, maybe this is crazy. I could just, you know, do it this way. And it was like, no, like every step of the way from the first day that we had, you know, when it came time to propose and like, every step of the way was like, okay, what is my gut telling me? Do I feel right about this?
Do I not feel right about this? And then am I going to actually listen to it and make a decision based on that? And I think I had done maybe an okay job in my life of doing that, but not nearly to the stakes of what this was, you know? And so I think it was difficult because there were big decisions, but it was also very rewarding to be like, okay, like my gut was right, and now I can trust that so much more now.
Scott
I love that. It's what I think about dating relationships. And it is such a complex topic of stakeholder management, so to speak, of like your whole life trying to weigh in with their opinions. I'm curious, like coming out of that, where there are people who like, you know, the name names, but like, did you have people who are like, like, whatever, this isn't gonna last or like, this isn't real or like, for the most part, is it just like everyone's got your back, everyone's supportive, like, I, I, you know, in some of these reality situations, it's like, you know, you see, like the the dad is like, oh, this is all B.S. There's no way you can find someone to marry and love them. And in whatever time frame, I'm just curious if you had any of those naysayers.
Taylor
Yeah. You know, so a lot of context that was left out of the show when we were filming, I felt like it was my entire personality, or it was being made into my entire personality. I was previously engaged and had called off that engagement three months prior to a wedding, so we talked about it constantly throughout the whole season.
It was a part of the narrative. And, when it wasn't included at all in the final edit, not only was I kind of surprised by that, but then it also gave so much context as to like my parents meeting Daniel. My mom comes in a little protective and kind of skeptical of what's happening and how quickly this is going and why we're actually continuing this process.
I think both of our families kind of thought if we met someone, we would maybe just date on our own time and not actually follow along to get to a wedding day at the end of it. So, yeah, I would say in the beginning, for sure, it was a tough conversation because my family had seen me, almost got married, and it fell apart.
And that was heartbreaking at the time. So, definitely it's been more support than anything since that initial meeting with Daniel. And then once we met, they loved him. So now he's the favorite child there, like Taylor, who is.
Daniel
Yeah, I think both of us had either, you know, friends or family. I mean, everything, any kind of hesitation from those close to us was just out of a place of love and wanting to protect us. And so, of course, at the beginning, I had people in my life who were, you know, asking questions like, oh, you sure?
Like, you know, but then they saw us together and they met Taylor was like, oh, like, yeah, okay, this is actually real. Like, we see that you guys are, you know, we're just doing this to do it like you're serious about it. And there's something special here. And so, yeah, very quickly it turned into a lot of support.
Scott
It's super interesting about the engagement and it just feels like such a huge part of you. And not to pump it up. Right. But like it's a huge part of your story in context. Yeah. It's just super interesting that that would be the last out.
Taylor
Yeah. Because if Daniel hadn't had a serious relationship in ten years and I had been previously engaged, I'd have been very close to Almost Married and he hadn't, you know, had a serious relationship. So there was like this huge difference in our backgrounds and our love lives, in the past. So I was also fascinated. It wasn't kept in that.
Scott
It's wild.
Kwame
Yeah. I mean, ultimately, the skepticism is it's warranted to a degree. Right. And so it's understandable. Yeah. I mean, for me, before I got married, before I said yes at the altar, you know, I had a lot of thoughts, right? A lot of things were going through my mind, myself as a human being. And I remember some of my, you know, had family members who were like, hey, like, you don't have to go through with it if you're, you know, thinking, overthinking, or doubting in any way.
And I was like, you know, honestly, this is an experience that feels like nothing else. Right? And there's really no there's no way to quantify or no way to define it in a way that I think people externally will be able to, like, follow you on that journey throughout your whole process. But I know and I feel in my heart, in my body and soul that this is what I want to do.
Even if I have a lot of questions, my questions aren't about why I should say no. I want to find out more reasons why I'm saying yes. Yeah, right. And so ultimately, that's how I processed it. And I know that, you know, there were family members who, if you pull some from both sides, I know there was one of our family members who basically said, hey, like, I'm okay to not meet your partner for the first six months.
We'll see if it lasts. Right. And honestly, that's okay. Good for them. Right? Because ultimately, like, we're all pretty cool now. Yeah. You know, and like, even if you look at statistically just marriages on their own, like divorce rates above 50%. Yeah. Right out of the Love is Blind journey, there have been, I think, 13, maybe 14 marriages.
And out of those, only three haven't worked out. And so I was blind is actually more successful than I actually can be.
Taylor
Yeah, yeah.
Kwame
You know, the conventional way. So ultimately we've gone through that part to now have the ability to say, hey, like, honestly, what I'm doing feels right to me. And if you were with somebody for five years and you were going to get engaged and married, that felt right to you, right? So your way feels good, my way feels good.
And neither of us should judge each other. So I hope that people who are getting into this experiment from now on will be able to relay that message. If there's anything that I could pass on to people who are now about to go through love as a bond and possibly get married, it is that your way works for you, and that's all that matters.
Scott
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It is. While I was just it's a it's been really interesting from my perspective just kind of seeing kind of firsthand a lot of crime is experienced from like this, like one step removed lens because it's like it would be one thing if you just met your partner and you went through this experience and you got married, but then it's a whole nother thing to to have it be completely publicized, have zero privacy around it, like it's it's so funny because like Colombia's interaction with the public, it's like the first questions like, oh, you're calling me, right?
And then it's like you're from that show. And then like an inevitable question, like the next question is like, are you still got? Are you guys still together? I would annoy the shit out of me, I guess, like, and I'm just like, I just think about, like, I don't know if people fully grasp with the context of like the life shift.
It's not just being married, and it's not just the way in which you're married. It's all this other stuff. Yeah, you don't have to deal with of like the notoriety, the questions, like from the general population and like, some are very great intentions and they want to root for you and then others are just the haters and in real life or online who are just like, oh yeah, you guys are never going to work.
And like having that when you're walking down the street trying to get groceries or something, it's just an interesting kind of change. But it's to Colombia's point, like it seems to be very, very successful. And like, you know, I, I'm more and more convinced of the methodology. I'm like, they need to create Love is Blind as a service, like a non-reality show.
Yeah. It'll just be like a new dating app or something. That will be our next billion-dollar idea. But I'm in support as a blind service.
So I'm super curious, you know, coming out, we talked about all the opportunities. You know, you guys have been kind of thrust into the lie a little bit. You know, you have these opportunities coming when you think about the social media aspect, and kind of a lot of people can kind of go to social media, the brand deals in that direction.
Some people just want to go and live their life and kind of, you know, or have a balance. Have you guys had a really intentional conversation about how you want to approach your influence, and brands and social media presence is something you want to lean into, kind of, you know, step back from continuing a career. I'm curious how you're approaching it.
Taylor
Yeah, we've had a lot of conversations as of late. I think, up until the show came out, it wasn't really something we talked about too much, just because it wasn't a reality for us or even like a conversation. We weren't even being approached for anything. But now that these things are coming at us, like every day, it's definitely something we've been talking about more personally, I always planned to keep my nursing license active.
I always envisioned myself taking care of people. I feel like it's in my bones, like, I just that's. I'm good at taking care of people. So I plan to stay, working as a nurse. But I am also very much entertaining the thought of doing it slightly less than I am right now. Just taking a bit more time.
And I think we're both kind of looking at it as that. I mean, wow, what an amazing life opportunity we've been given where love is blind, and then obviously finding each other. But how many more amazing opportunities and fun experiences could we have as a couple together, and spend more time together and have a lot of fun doing it?
It's definitely something that we're starting to think more seriously about now.
Daniel
Yeah, yeah, I don't know if we. I don't think we've had the conversation of, you know, hey, we're 100% this is what we're doing. I think it's still early, you know, it's still early for us a little bit. I mean, if things take off from a social media standpoint and that's something that we can use to support, you know, support us financially, and give us cool opportunities to do together as a married couple, then I don't see why we wouldn't take advantage of that.
But, yeah, I don't know. It's so weird because we've never had these conversations before. Like, I don't know, I've never really thought about it until now. We're like, oh, we're here. Like it's time to, you know, explore this. And so we'll see.
Taylor
Honestly, if it scares me, if I'm completely transparent, I never want to monetize our relationship in any way. So it's a very fine line in my brain of where, where does that cross over? I never want our relationship to feel like it has a price tag. So it's something that I'm very cautiously talking about and dipping my toes into.
Daniel
You just need to find the balance of, you know, regardless of how we decide to move forward with our life, keeping our relationship and our marriage at the forefront and at the core of any decision that we make. Yeah, whether that's to go up into this type of stuff full time or not. We still just need to keep ourselves at the center.
And as the most important piece of it. Right?
Kwame
Yeah, I like the approach, honestly. I mean, it depends, like everything is a conversation around everything in a relationship. There has to be a conversation. There's going to be a compromise on both levels. There's going to be decisions made as long as it's something that makes both of you happier and better off in the long run. That's what matters, you know?
As for Chelsea and me, when we initially, you know, got put out into the spotlight, we thought about how it would go. And, you know, Chelsea was thinking about how often she worked and how many hours she worked. And she thought to herself, like, is there a way that I can, you know, have a bit more of a transition?
You know, get some more time to myself, get some more time to work on our marriage. And, you know, kind of just, like, build our home from there. And so she transitioned out of working full time into a bit more part time. And then did the stay-at-home wife thing for about a year.
And it was a blessing for her. You know, during that time, we got to travel a lot more, you know, because I was working in tech. Tech has a bit more flexibility in terms of your time off and things like that. Whereas working at a clinic in speech pathology is very different, you know?
And so we got some opportunities and we got to do things. We got to see a bit more, and spend more time together. And that's, that's what ultimately worked for us. Yeah. And you know, and now she's back to working at a school and influencing part-time as well. And as somebody who has a full-time job but also influences on the side.
I think if you can balance it out and you can find a way to still make sure that you prioritize and spend time with each other, I think that there's a lot of blessing in, you know, because it gives you opportunities and it gives you some, you know, financial backing to really start planning for your future if you want.
You know, there are possibilities and opportunities that I didn't know I would have at this point in my life that, you know, I may have sooner than you know, sooner than later. And so all of those things are blessings. And so that's how I would phrase it. You know, ultimately it comes down to what I want to do.
But I do think if you can find a good balance, there's a great way to stay within the profession that rewards you. Yeah. You know, reward your soul. And then there's also a way to tap into this external extra, kind of you can call it a side gig or a side business, but, you know, some people find a way to wrap it into a whole business that rewards your pockets.
Yeah, yeah. You know, yeah. And if you do it in a good way, if you do it in a healthy way, it ends up being less about leveraging your marriage, more about talking to people about the things that you are going through in your life and the things that you do, do and use. Like that's when it comes to, working with brands that actually speak to your everyday life.
Like me, I immediately looked for running shoes. You know, I was immediately looking for travel stuff like suitcases, which I still do. When I travel, I take my wife's pink suitcase, so I.
Scott
I can attest to that. It survives the first Covid, I can confirm.
Kwame
You know, so cool things that wrap into your life will make this so much easier, you know? So when you're deciding to get to it, feel free to give me a call and I'll, you know, debrief you with as much as possible. Yeah. You know I'll, I'll bring Chelsea into the conversation as well because we've been through it and we're happy to pass on everything we know.
Taylor
I love it.
Daniel
Thank you. Yeah, that'd be very helpful. We appreciate it for sure.
Scott
And let's just say I love Taylor. What you said about like, you know, staying true to who you are. And it's interesting I was going to ask you because, you know, you mentioned earlier, like how passionate you are about your work. Yeah. Is there a world where you would highlight, you know, some of what you're doing on the nursing front and some of the causes you're passionate about?
You know, on social as a part of the way that you kind of express kind of yourself and your interests and like your causes on social or are you like, I just want to keep it to like the public staff, the Netflix staff, and like, I'm going to try and keep this nursing thing for me. Yeah.
Taylor
No, I would shout it from the rooftops, and I've actually, March is Colorectal Cancer Awareness month, and my mom is a colon cancer survivor. So that's kind of how I found my home doing my job and how I became as passionate as I am. And, I've been filming, so I work for a very large health care company.
It's huge in Minnesota, and I work for a very large healthcare corporation in the Twin Cities. And so I've been kind of a face to colorectal cancer awareness month for our health system this year. And, I filmed once already at the hospital, and I'm filming again. Next week, with a news channel to kind of promote people coming in for screening procedures.
And so, I definitely plan to share all of those clips when they're live. Yeah, I would love it. I've just talked about even starting my own business prior to all of this. The preparation that patients have to do for a colonoscopy is really intimidating and really complicated, and stressful. And so, it's something I've answered questions about a million times in my seven years of doing GI.
And so I had even thought about a way to, you know, help with the preparation and answering, being a resource for patients that need it, just making it a little less intimidating to get more people to do it. Because it truly does save lives. So sorry. That was my son.
Kwame
That you're good. And honestly, you can keep going about it because it's something that I had a really interesting, recent experience with. Yeah. So, from about October to December of 2024, I was, you know, I fell pretty ill, and it was progressive, you know, and then it got slow to start and then kind of got very violent at a certain point.
To where, like, you know, I wasn't. I wasn't able to eat as much. I lost 20 pounds during that time. I was having fevers every single night. And I knew there was something going on with my gut. Yeah. Right. And at the beginning of January, I got a colonoscopy, actually, because you know, there was a certain point in which the symptoms were so close to, you know, colon cancer, colorectal cancer, something that, you know, nobody wants to hear about.
And, you know, snap to your mom for being a survivor of that. It's it's wow, that's so powerful to be able to, you know, come on the other side of that, I think, you know, going through it, I always like when I was younger and growing up, there were so many points in which I thought to myself, like, I should go get a colonoscopy, because, yeah, I'd have stomach issues here and there.
And I never did, and I was never pushed to do it until it became a situation where I was facing life or death. And I feel like at that point in time, you might have waited too long. Right. And I think it's really important for us to be really conscious of it and make it more or make it feel more like a yearly checkup kind of thing.
And, you know, and I'm not saying go get one every year, but make it something that feels like, I just want to know what's going on inside my body, because my gut health is just about everything. And, you know, very, very fortunate. I came out on the other end, knowing that I had ulcerative colitis, which, you know, has some symptoms that can be related.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. But going through that experience and then getting now having a GI doctor who was a great doctor, you know, put me on some medication that I take and now I'm back to myself. But, yeah, I feel that passion in it because in all honesty, like going through that process and realizing that that colonoscopy, like, changed the trajectory of what my life was at that time.
And I feel now what it could have been. So I don't know your passion, but I want to share my little story as well.
Taylor
Yeah. Well, I'm glad you were able to get some answers. That, I mean, your quality of life, I can imagine, has improved immensely since getting that diagnosis and being treated for it. Yeah. And, that's if we don't have our health, we don't have anything. So. And that's admirable that you took the steps to have the procedure done.
I'm glad you did for sure.
Kwame
And with, you know, within that same vein, as we talk a little bit about health, you know, then you kind of brought up a bit of context about, you know, something that you were passionate about that was, you know, entailing to our health as, as an overall. So I'd love to, you know, just give you a bit of a moment to talk a bit about that.
Daniel
Yeah. It's interesting. Kind of how are stories of life have kind of like, aligned, you know, to talk about your mom and, and her history with colon cancer and then, my Dad on the show, your dad with the merkel cell, and then, my mom, as if people have, you know, watched the reunion episode that I mentioned something about my mom, she was diagnosed with, a form of leukemia last year. She's now cancer-free and in recovery. But, you know, she had a bone marrow transplant, and that recovery process is not easy.
And it was crazy how I put out, you know, you know, I said that on the reunion, and the number of people that have reached out to me, and I mean, honestly, probably like a thousand people have reached out to me in the past couple of weeks. And it just said, hey, I have a family member going through this, or I have a family member or a friend who has recently gone through this.
You know, we know what it's like praying for your mom, thinking about your mom. If you ever need anything, you know, this is what it is I've had, you know, I don't know what the companies used to be the match, but now it's. I can't remember what it is, but they've reached out like leukemia.
Foundations have reached out and said, Hey, if your mom needs anything, let us know. And it was just, like, overwhelming the support and, just kind of what came of that. But it was interesting because I never really even thought about it. And that's probably on me. But sometimes you don't really think about something like that until it happens to you or to someone very close to you.
And because, you know, it happened to my mom, it was now very much in the forefront of my mind. And, you know, our minds. And so, yeah, like the, you know, leukemia is just something that I never even thought about. And, now it's every day we think about it. And every day I get messages from people who are saying that, you know, hey, we were there with you.
And so it just showed me that there are a ton of people out there who are going through this. And so if there was anything that I don't know if it's, you know, partnering with some type of organization like that or if it's doing something on my own or if it's just interacting with these people and talking, you know, whatever that looks like, I guess I haven't, you know, I don't really know.
I'm just so new to it. And I feel like that's okay. I think the important thing is wanting to do something. And so, it's been pretty amazing to, you know, have that support from all of these people that I don't know, you know what I mean? But it just showed that it's a very common thing and something that a lot of people go through.
Taylor
And so we had talked about previously, like, so my mom's cancer was caught with a screening procedure. My dad's cancer was caught because he felt like something was growing in his armpit. Danielle's mom was found with routine bloodwork at a normal physical. She had no symptoms. Really? We had talked about, like, just getting the appointment and going, and, like, just taking care of yourself can be the amount of work to do that is so intimidating to people that they just never do them.
So there's an app called Zocdoc, which it's like you open it up, you put in what kind of doctor you need, and it populates with your insurance. 15 Newark nearest locations with the appointment times. And you can book it, I mean, in two seconds, your doctor appointment. So we had talked about maybe even backing an app like that just said how to get people to go and do it. Like it takes, you know, 30 minutes to just do it. But people are so scared to do it. It's like you just go. Where do you even start? So just making it as simple as possible.
Scott
I love it. I think it's a perfect example, kind of talking about choosing how you want to interact on social media, where you want to stand for and like every post doesn't need to be, you know, trying to save the world. You can share your marriage, you can share daily life. But I think, you know, we can. I mean, I talk all the time about the good and the bad of social media.
And I think at its most powerful, it is this connective tissue that allows people to find and share a common experience. And I love, you know, Danny, what you said just about all the folks reaching out and I think it's that shared human experience is people wanting to feel connection. And it's an encouragement to me and to others, like everyone has a story and everyone has, you know, something to get back to.
And I also love the vulnerability of just saying, I don't necessarily know where to start. I don't know exactly what the right steps are, but I want to make a meaningful difference and I'm going to put time into this, and I think that the connection of individuals can lead to what those answers are like. Somewhere in those thousand people is probably the answer to the next step, or a group of people that can rally around to make a difference.
And I think, like when you choose brand deals or companies you're going to support or messages that you're going to put out. It's funny because like Carmen mentioned, Chelsea and her work, the posts that I absolutely love about Chelsea are when she speaks deeply about the passion that she has for helping kids, and like being just the good human being that she is.
And it's really interesting. And then that said, I don't like her fun travel posts or whatever, but I think it is like a deep connection, like a deeper meaning. Yeah, people. And like I love that it was a foundation for guys' relationships and like, you know, often love is why it's got a show and it's got to create drama and all this other stuff.
But like I said, it is those interesting things that probably make the whole thing work: those shared common experiences like the shared trauma, the shared growth, like someone who really knows you and understands you deeply. And when you're not there staring and just feeling like, wow, she's hot. I'm not really listening to what she has to say. You're like, wow.
Listen to the emotion when she talks about her dad and her passion for her patients and like, I don't know, it all comes together very nicely for me. Like, and just why this works, why the relationships are strong. And it's this foundation of, like, actual shared human experience beyond a lot of the superficial and external factors that just make relationships crazy hard to navigate.
Taylor
Absolutely.
Daniel
Yeah. We've been given an opportunity and, you know, to have people care about what we have to say and yeah, like posting fun travel stuff and fun brand deals is awesome. And I hope we get the chance to do that. But how cool is it to have, you know, the opportunity to impact people in such a positive way?
Taylor
Maybe even save lives?
Daniel
Yeah. And I mean, that's what's so wild is I've never in a million years thought, like, I might be in a position where if I can help someone with this, it might actually save someone's life, like you're a nurse. So it's like, maybe you deal with that every day. But like, to this level, it's very cool.
And I just want to make sure that we steward that, you know, influence us. Well yeah.
Kwame
Yeah. I mean, when you think about who you are as a person, who we are as people, who we are as a population, we're multifaceted. So many things about us. Right. And you can talk about the things that you share that, you know, just bring people joy, right? Like, for me, I don't talk about politics as much on my socials because politics is just such a dividing subject.
No matter what you could literally state, you can make a statement that is 100% true, and someone will disagree with it and find a way to, you know what I mean. And so there's so many ways to interact with the audience that you have right back in the, I would say maybe like a few months ago, when I started posting more about, like, my outfit of the day and the things that I wear, like there was a lady who would always message me, be like, no one cares about that stuff.
No, I'm like, Im ultimately, like, it was so funny because I was like, honestly, like, I don't care if nobody cares about that stuff. And, you know, it is funny because a lot of people actually reach out to me and we have a lot of really great interactions off of, like, my outfits of the day and stuff, or do stuff like that.
Right? I'm very passionate about fashion, as you can tell, right over my shoulder, you know. Right. And it's something that I really care about and I love sharing it. And if I share it, and out of all of my followers, two people care. Great. I got to have a great interaction with those two people. Right? And then next week, if I talk about travel and only time people care, great, I got to have common ground with them.
But speaking to Scott's point, right, social media is this fiber that connects all of us so we could feel what each other are feeling, you know what I'm saying? And if it's even to a small audience that you are communicating with, then that's okay. Have that genuine communication with them. And if I want to speak to things that just make me happy and joyful and all the blah, blah, blah happy things for this week, that's great.
And then if on Sunday I choose to talk about something that's deep and really, really affected my life and impacted me and why, it's really important for you to go check that, get checked out, and make sure that your health is good. Then we talk about that for that day, right? But none of those things, none of those things singularly has to become my personality.
Kwame is a personality. And within Kwame are all of these things that people can relate to in ways that are just joyful and maybe in ways that can be helpful or life-changing or life-saving. And so that's what's really beautiful about this whole thing, is that y'all can get to be yourselves and share all those amazing moments and pictures of Daniel's tattoo, but with it.
Taylor
There's so much hate for this tattoo. I'm sorry it's not why.
Kwame
It's so sick.
Daniel
There's been a lot of support for it. But yeah, of course there's going to be hate like, you know.
Kwame
Oh yeah. Like, oh yeah. Okay. People, people, man. I mean, one thing that really enrages me more than, like people know of is the fact that, like, two of my best friends decided to name their daughter Galileo, and then the entire internet was like, why would you name your daughter that? And I'm looking at them like, why in the eff do you think you have the right to tell me what to do with my daughter?
You know what I'm saying? The people have opinions. People have opinions, everyone has opinions. And unfortunately, everyone thinks that their opinion is the right one. So do what you want to do as long as it makes you feel good. Yeah, that's all that matters.
Scott
I'm just. I'm just dying imagining this one lady who's just out there like notifications on. Yeah, she's ready to go at the end of the day to see like, no one cares.
Daniel
This is what I saw.
Scott
It was so funny. Like funny vulnerable things like I, I, I play music like for a fun hobby and I like never putting it out. And I was like, I'm.
Kwame
Very talented, very talented.
Scott
Mark Lopez. I put something out on Instagram. And it was funny because like, my friends are like, oh, cool, like you play music, blah blah blah. And I was like, okay, I'm going to do, I'm going to put like a thing, like, what should I play next? They're like, should I do the next song? And it was like, your 1990s friends are all like, yeah, of course.
And then there's one, but you can see who voted. And my buddy was like, no. And I was like I did them! And I'm like, oh, Derek, what are you doing it like, why? And he's like, not everyone can vote yes, dude, that's not how the world works. And I was in my and it was like, I don't, it's not even I don't like your music. It's like I don't stand for 100% positive polls. You shouldn't just be reinforced too positively.
And I was like, there's always got to be the one person in the world who's like, you know what? That tattoo. No. You're like good luck trying to be sweet. Whatever. Like, I'm just going to hit on you for your sake. But yeah.
Taylor
Got your next poll. You just make the options. Yes and yes. There was no option.
Scott
I think. I honestly think like those moments, like the haters on the tattoo, the haters in a relationship, whatever it might be. It's like so freeing when you move past that moment. Yeah. Because then you just don't care. You're just like there is a moment where it's just like. Like maybe there's like there's real hate and there is like real attacking, but like the kind of soft internet troll hate.
I think that for a lot of people, there's a moment where you're just kind of like, okay, that was a fun experience. Now I'm past it and I'm just like, there's like a renewed confidence that comes out of it. And so, like, I hope you know, if you guys haven't found that yet, like, between all this is going on, like, you guys are an amazing couple.
Like, there's a very clear reason why you found success and why people love you so much. And, yeah, it's been amazing getting to know y'all. But I would just say like, be happy, be confident. And just like that, you guys have a great life and you found the person you're supposed to be with. And that's for guys.
Kwame
We did, I think, like Scott, Scott always got the knowledge. That's why we have him on this podcast. Actually,
Scott
I thought it was my go-to book. I don't know, I just.
Kwame
Man, but you know, we've had such a great conversation. You know, we're getting to the tail end of this. We don't want to keep you out too long. You know, our. Okay, let's. But, you know, just a couple questions now, just as we think about how your lives will be impacted just by the world around you in society and social media and the opportunities that you'll get, a couple questions that we like to ask, right?
Or, you know, we'll call them rapid fire. A couple of questions about social, and then a couple of questions about your lives. Right. But, if you could work with one brand anywhere in the world, who would it be?
Daniel
Go for it.
Taylor
Taco Bell.
Kwame
I mean.
Taylor
Yeah, I, I just, I Taco Bell, that's my answer.
Kwame
Okay.
Daniel
Yeah. I hate the thing that I'm probably most passionate about, other than my wife, is the game of golf. And I mean, any, any golf, you know. Yeah. Titleist or TaylorMade, you know, anything like those types of TaylorMade.
Scott
Gotta get you out to the cadence, Taylor. With trotting, I don't know. Taylor is on the social game. They have an amazing yeah.
Daniel
I know I use TaylorMade clubs.
Scott
So shout out.
Kwame
Yeah nice. Well, I'm not as good at golf as you or Scott. Scott's pretty good as well. But if it were to happen. Look, I think that there's a way to slot us three into a title team. Yeah. So to go up against, to go up against Tiger, you know what I'm saying? Hey, it's out that I'm, I'm throwing the idea out there.
Scott
Manifest that.
Daniel
I could get behind that for.
Scott
Sure.
Kwame
And then two last questions. I feel like that hit closer to home. What is your favorite movie?
Taylor
Our favorite movie is the same movie.
Daniel
We set it in the pods. Yeah. Did we say it at the same time? Yeah. Yeah. We both love The Shawshank Redemption.
Taylor
Oh.
Kwame
Yeah.
Daniel
Well, it's a close second for me is Remember the Titans?
Kwame
Oh, my gosh, that's my number one sports movie ever for sure. Great. Yeah. Great choices. And then lastly, favorite quote.
Taylor
Mine fits like crazy. Similar to my other experiences being a nurse. The best way to find yourself is to lose yourself in the service of others. Gandhi said that I found that quote when I was going into travel nursing and Covid units, and it was like this really scary world. And my previous engagement had just ended and I sold my house, and I was just starting over with life.
And I was kind of lost, honestly, of who I was. And so I found that quote when I just dove into this new, this new stage and it's just stuck with me ever since. So service to others. Yeah.
Daniel
Mine's much simpler. It's just something that my dad instilled. It's just you have not because you did not ask. And it can be applied to so many areas of your life. Like I used it a lot in business and sales. It's like you have to ask for something if you want it. But you can use it in everyday life.
It's like, don't be afraid to ask.
Scott
I love that as a firm believer of you have you create your own, you create your own, and like you create your own destiny. I think people undersell their potential not only through a lack of putting in the work, but also by not asking for an opportunity. And I think, you know, there's a fine line between like entitled men and being willing to shoot your shot.
I think those are two fundamentally different things. I would encourage everyone, though, to shoot your shot and be willing to put in the work to go when the yes comes. Very different than asking for it without being willing to put in the work and expecting things to be delivered to you. And I'm just always willing to ask the question, but I think equally important is to show up and do the work that that, you know, seals that opportunity.
So I love those quotes. Those are amazing. Well, it has been an absolute pleasure getting to know you both. You know, we set out to not have just the same old vanilla interview asking you the same questions. And, I felt like we got to know you really, really well and hear a lot about your story and what you stand for, and it's great.
I'll be curious to see how the next kind of stage of life goes. What's maybe do an update and see where you're gotten, your social media journey, how the causes are going, and or a check in.
Daniel
Yeah. This was super fun, you guys. Thank you so much for having us. It was definitely different from other podcasts we've done. So that, yeah, that was great.
Kwame
We will take that as a compliment. And with that being said, since you gave us one, I'll give you all one. Y'all were an absolute pleasure to have a great conversation with. And obviously an incredibly beautiful couple. So thank you all for joining us today. Until next time. We will see y'all later. Bye bye.
Love y'all.